Hardware Cal NEC PA241W + 買Colorimeter問題

本身想買EIZO monitor,上次問的時候多謝INGRAMLI兄的意見
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1783425
本人決定買有Hardware Calibration同平D既NEC,同埋可以比多少少買PA241W
因為本人未試過用Hardware Calibration既monitor,有幾條問題想知道先買:
1. 想知係唔係有位/interface比電腦detect個monitor去cal (正常through DVI係無得cal)?
2. NEC有cal monitor software SpectraView II,係唔係一定要買(唔同EIZO,好似唔包)先可以hardware cal到個monitor?如果我買Colorimeter e.g. Spyder 4 可唔可以用佢跟既software hardware cal monitor LUT 但唔係 display card LUT?講真,買得HW cal要用埋佢SW就焗比,但好似成二千蚊
3. 係唔係只係需要用SpectraView II個software,但係可以唔用佢個NEC Colorimeter用番Spyder果D黎cal?
4. 正確cal monitor應該只係需要用佢個software cal就可以?有沒有教學參考下?

另外,因為budget問題,買唔起Spectrophotometer,如果我用PA241W,Colorimeter買Spyder4 Pro / Color Munki Display / i1 Display Pro好?(話說Spyder4 Pro唔會理環境色溫,不過對我問題唔大)其實呢幾款價錢又爭幾百元,一闊三大

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做乜搬我上枱
1. NEC係用DVI直接同部機communicate,所以H/W Cal唔洗駁USB,缺點係有時出新display未必咁快用到H/W Cal,要等一排(Sandy Bridge HD display既support就係舊年後半先至implement...),Eizo要用一個USB port,但就應該冇呢個問題........

2.US/EU有出包埋SVII/Colorimeter的package,如果就咁買淨芒+街外既Colorimeter就要買埋SVII(有唔使錢既方法,不過呢度唔講得);Eizo CG一套包哂遮光罩,清潔套裝,CAL軟件,內置針對性優化左既colorimeter,再加上更好的造工,同5年既warranty,貴d都係正常(NEC全部野散買買齊隨時仲貴);

3. NEC Colorimeter只能用SVII,但新款的SpectraSensor (用i1dpro個隻OEM)有NEC自己d芒既特性輸入左,所以會比街買的i1dpro更準,如果你只用黎tune NEC mon的話可以諗諗;

4. 用SVII就夠,要最好效果建議暖機耐d,用52steps精度,加"Extended luminance stabilization time" 勾上,用耐d時間,但delta E會低d

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做乜搬我上枱
1. NEC係用DVI直接同部機communicate,所以H/W Cal唔洗駁USB,缺點係有時出新display未 ...
INGRAMLI 發表於 2012-5-16 14:42


多謝你的意見者
EIZO CG包埋Colorimeter唔使自己買?
如果係PA241W + Colorimeter,咁不如上Colour Confidence買CG243W
http://shop.colourconfidence.com ... zo-coloredge-cg243w
加250歐元寄埋黎香港都係萬二多,平過PA241W + Colorimeter,不過就無保養(寄返去保都好貴)
一闊三大...

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回復 3# Cloud_Strife
If you have the money, go for Eizo and get a seperate colorimeter
Although personally, don't feel good on the integrated calorimeter on the CG245/275 though

Of course there's another reason why Eizo is favoured over NEC
See this
http://www.luminous-landscape.co ... hp?action=printpage;topic=66551.0

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本帖最後由 INGRAMLI 於 2012-5-16 15:53 編輯

回復 3# Cloud_Strife
5字尾(CG245W,CG275W)先有內置sensor,我個人意見係,可以出多一d買行貨正路,Colour Confidence個practice係點我唔清楚,不過B&H賣NEC國內同胞話試過買到俾人退過的mon(佢地有return policy,不過唔會自己吞左係數,退番黎既有光/死點既mon除非係壞機,否則會拎去賣俾下一手...),Eizo買行貨唔包零光/死點,但至少一定唔係2nd hand....

同埋Eizo水貨平唔過行貨(折實後)太多,唔建議為個小小差價放棄保養,Synnex保養做得唔錯的,相反NEC HK就[email protected]&^z)a^%bc了....

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都係價錢問題啦
NEC PA241W行貨9.5k到加埋Colorimeter 12k
CG243W水貨12k,咁要買埋Colorimeter 14k
CG241W行貨已經>15k,差成25%
CG243W行貨我估17k到 CG245W行貨應該近20k...

唉,我支鏡都係14k到者,再用多>15k搞mon覺得唔值...
行貨的話都係Go for NEC,雖則EIZO包好似好多野,但價錢都真係爭得遠...
咁睇Colorimeter可以用Color Munki Display平D喎?

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本帖最後由 INGRAMLI 於 2012-5-16 16:27 編輯
都係價錢問題啦
Cloud_Strife 發表於 2012-5-16 16:19

You get the POINT

Long story short, you get (AT MOST) what you pay for

Color Munki Display has same accuracy with i1dpro, but read 5x slower, it is up to you how you value your time

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You get the POINT

Long story short, you get (AT MOST) what you pay for

Color Munki Display ...
INGRAMLI 發表於 2012-5-16 16:26


咁講我買PA241W再加Color Munki Display就可?Spyder4 Pro好似無咁好,而i1 Display Pro其實我用SVII HW上同Color Munki Display應該差唔多?

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個人意見CG243W同241爭咁少錢,243啦。。。
想平d,如果有親友去開日本,叫佢幫手拖隻返黎囉,起碼試過check過,會有問題機會少好多。
直接網購mon,一向都唔建議,#5 c兄已講左好重要原因。

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Spyder4我未用過,網上評測亦少,我俾唔到意見,但係講track record X-Rite係好過Datacolor, i1d2/S3時代i1D2起碼tune std gamut既mon係準,而S3就std同wide gamut邊種都唔掂,另外就係i1d3個reputation係幾好,我唔敢講S4有冇機會仲好,但i1d3至少係"proven"的(冇鑊氣),BTW,我用i1d3 tune一次都用成差唔多10分鐘(有大半係tune完亮度後等stablize),用Color Munki Display唔知SVII係會用更耐時間/定係選擇減少sensor的sampling reading(精度),呢個要問NEC先知了......

BTW, NEC官網Supported Color Sensors寫住Colormunki,但唔知係只包以前的colormunki photo/design,定係support埋新既colormunki display,最好問清楚,唔係可能會發展成一個expensive mistake........(Eizo已經話明「ColorMunki Displayは非対応です。 」,你自己諗...

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