標題: 水冷新手求教, 請各有經驗人士賜教 [打印本頁]

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-11 17:36     標題: 水冷新手求教, 請各有經驗人士賜教

小弟從未接觸水冷, 但正想為部電腦上水冷

小弟希望用的配置如下:
CPU BLOCK X1
XSPC/EK DOMINATOR RAM BLOCK X2
R4E M/B BLOCK X1
240/280冷排 X1
水箱 X1

想請問:
1. 水泵應該選擇D5 OR DDC?
2. 一個水泵是否足夠?
3. 如果一個水泵是足夠, 水路應該點行法? (如次序, 是否要用T-LINE分水等......)
4. NOZZLE/HOSE SIZE應該點選擇?
5. 上述配置是否使用單一NOZZLE/HOSE SIZE就可以?
6. 小弟水冷知識有限, 還有什麼細節事項呢?

請各位指教!! THANKS!!

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作者: samtch    時間: 2012-2-11 20:37

首先一個冷排絕對不夠就是，還得看你用什麼機箱

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作者: melody20541    時間: 2012-2-11 20:37

回復 1# FeverMike

C兄 只係CPU上水??

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作者: melody20541    時間: 2012-2-11 20:39

回復 2# samtch
你個壞人叫我用240 +120
應該毒下我麻

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-11 23:34



我用緊聯力PC-X2000F, 要用什麼排? 幾多隻?

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-11 23:38



想上CPU, M/B & RAM, 唔上VGA, 因為VGA唔打算超 & VGA出新野太快 =="

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作者: samtch    時間: 2012-2-11 23:41

可以參考另一個師兄的作品 (未完成)
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewt ... &extra=page%3D1

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-11 23:47

回復 6# FeverMike


    1個360+好d既風扇已經ok

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作者: samtch    時間: 2012-2-11 23:49

回復 8# hgcjeffrey


    同意

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-11 23:56

回復 1# FeverMike


1. 水泵應該選擇D5 OR DDC?
    d5大舊d 靜d 貴d， 全速下有聲，細隻好多，都會幾熱下，平d
2. 一個水泵是否足夠?
   如果1個冷排的話，1個泵已經夠
3. 如果一個水泵是足夠, 水路應該點行法? (如次序, 是否要用T-LINE分水等......)
    水箱→水泵，其他唔講夠的話可以隨便，(冷排後出的第一個block會涼dd)
    T-LINE分水? 個人覺得cpu分vga就有需要多d
4. NOZZLE/HOSE SIZE應該點選擇?
   基本上快擰會方便d，size就睇你用咩喉，一般都會3分厚 or 4分厚
5. 上述配置是否使用單一NOZZLE/HOSE SIZE就可以?
    唔明
6. 小弟水冷知識有限, 還有什麼細節事項呢?

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-12 00:43

回復 10# hgcjeffrey

3. 如果一個水泵是足夠, 水路應該點行法? (如次序, 是否要用T-LINE分水等......)
    水箱→水泵，其他唔講夠的話可以隨便，(冷排後出的第一個block會涼dd)
咁係冷排之後第一個出CPU BLOCK好D?? 還是將CPU BLOCK擺到最後好D??    
T-LINE分水? 個人覺得cpu分vga就有需要多d
5. 上述配置是否使用單一NOZZLE/HOSE SIZE就可以?
    唔明
因為我之前見有D POST講D水去到唔知邊個BLOCK就轉細NOZZLE加強水壓...
6. 小弟水冷知識有限, 還有什麼細節事項呢?

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 04:34

回復 11# FeverMike


    咁係冷排之後第一個出CPU BLOCK好D??
    其實差好少好少，個人覺得都係睇下水道點走會好睇D或者好走D比較實際

    還是將CPU BLOCK擺到最後好D??  
    其實分別真係唔大，最緊要都係水箱→泵，你睇下其他ching點走就知

    因為我之前見有D POST講D水去到唔知邊個BLOCK就轉細NOZZLE加強水壓...
    而家應該冇乜人會咁做，因為D5 or DDC 已經夠力，唔夠的話普遍再加多隻行就KO，
    而且EK有冷頭既設計係可以更換jet plates增加水阻水壓，當然效能會降低。


    還有什麼細節事項呢?
    小心荷包

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-12 12:06

回復 1# FeverMike
1. 水泵應該選擇D5 OR DDC?
    Both are very good pumps;   D5 higher flow, DDC higher pressure (suitable for more restrictive loops)

2. 一個水泵是否足夠?
   如果1個冷排的話，1個泵已經夠
   Either of these pump is more than enough to handle a massive single loop w/  tons of 冷排's .   A second pump is only good for redundancy (one fails you still have another one), won't increase flow much. Koolance has a very nice dual bay reservoir that allows you do run two D5's in series.

3. 如果一個水泵是足夠, 水路應該點行法? (如次序, 是否要用T-LINE分水等......)
    As already been mention, reservoir -> pump to make sure that the pump will never run dry, the rest does not matter as the entire loop will reach a thermal equilibrium after a while, i.e, water temp stays the same across the entire loop.  Try to order your loop in a way to minimize tight bends and overall tubing length, and try to avoid using splitters (分水)  if possible because each one will cut your flow rate in half, and your entire system will run hotter.

4. NOZZLE/HOSE SIZE應該點選擇?
    I recommend either 3/8" ID 5/8" OD or 1/2" ID 3/4" OD compression fittings, some people use 7/16" ID ones but less common. Whatever size of compression fittings you use, make sure you match it with the hose.  There are two numbers, ID (inner diameter) and OD (outer diameter).

5. 上述配置是否使用單一NOZZLE/HOSE SIZE就可以?
    Same size for your entire cooling system

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-12 14:25

Thanks for the detailed advice from jeffrey and amuro!!
I will remember jeffrey said "小心荷包" XD

I would like to asked 4 more questions:
1.I am planning to use xspc's raystorm copper cpu block and
Ram block, koolance's R4E m/b full cover block, any comment
for this selection?

2.I would like to use single D5 pump, which brand of D5 pump recommended?

3.What brand and model of reservior and radiator recommended?

4.Where (or which hk online shop) could i buy/order koolance's stuff in hk?

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-12 16:00

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-12 17:27 編輯


For question 4, pls pm me if inappropriate to reply in the post, thx

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作者: leungwaiyin    時間: 2012-2-12 17:53

本帖最後由 leungwaiyin 於 2012-2-12 17:56 編輯

成部電腦最熱係顯卡你唔上水,上RAM冇用,得個外觀..
每個HARDWAR最BASIC要一個240厚排(性價比暫時推薦XSPC EX系列)
上CPUX1+GPUX1要一個480或240X2
超頻另計
一般會用上水箱,有BUDGET限制先會用T LINE
另外你用咩機箱,咩硬件?
仲有你BUDGET幾多?
泵就冇咩所謂,你條loop都唔長得去邊.

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 19:00

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-12 19:19 編輯

回復 14# FeverMike


Thanks for the detailed advice from jeffrey and amuro!!
I will remember jeffrey said "小心荷包" XD

I would like to asked 4 more questions:
1.I am planning to use xspc's raystorm copper cpu block and
Ram block, koolance's R4E m/b full cover block, any comment
for this selection?

Raystorm CPU block個人經驗唔好上太緊，格硬擰死嗰隻。
仲要小心個扣具唔好shock到底板。
Mb 同 ram block自己覺得好睇就ok,
ram block要注意自己係咪緊 DOMINATOR ，唔係要另外買野加上去，幾難搵下...

2.I would like to use single D5 pump, which brand of D5 pump recommended?
所有DDC同D5都係Liang出架，oem比水冷牌子貼貼子同包裝，基本上係一模一樣，
除左D5本身會分開調速版同冇調速版
DDC有分10W,18W 3.1,3.2,3.25版本。
反而揀Top比較重要。

3.What brand and model of reservior and radiator recommended?
第一，睇下你鐘意水樽定5.25" bay , 第二自己鍾意就ok,


4.Where (or which hk online shop) could i buy/order koolance's stuff in hk?
Koolanec好似得超痕專門店都埋a shop樓下有，並且唔齊，其他有人會pm你架喇

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-12 19:11

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-12 19:23 編輯

回復 14# FeverMike
1.I am planning to use xspc's raystorm copper cpu block and
Ram block, koolance's R4E m/b full cover block, any comment
for this selection?
Great selection on CPU and motherboard blocks.  Personally I would not water-cool the RAM since it's considered a low heat source.  It's just not worth the hassle and the added restriction to the loop.

2.I would like to use single D5 pump, which brand of D5 pump recommended?
Doesn't really matter.  Koolance, Swiftech and Liang are all OK.  There is a stronger version of D5 called D5 Strong or Koolance PMP 450S that can operate on 24V.  But you would need a 24V pump controller to make it run at 24V, such as this:
http://www.koolance.com/water-co ... php?product_id=1169

Check out this article, it's pretty amazing at 24V:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2011 ... 50s-d5-strong-pump/


3.What brand and model of reservior and radiator recommended?
HWLabs GTX series are the best performing radiators.  They outperform any other brand from mid-low to high fan RPM settings (basically above 800 RPM nothing can touch it).  In my previous built, I had a HWLabs GTX 480 radiator and it did a great job cooling  a 980X @4.13Ghz  and two GTX 480 SLI at 850/2000 with fans at around 1300 RPM.

These radiator review articles will help you decide:
http://skinneelabs.com/water-coo ... 12-radiator-review/

For reservoir, if you have two extra 5.25in bays, the Koolance RP-452X2 Dual 5.25in Reservoir for 1-2 PMP-450/S Pumps is very good.  Just make sure it's Rev. 2.0:
http://www.koolance.com/water-co ... php?product_id=2025

4.Where (or which hk online shop) could i buy/order koolance's stuff in hk?
Linke has Koolance stuff, but if you want to make sure everything is of the latest revisions, you may have to order them from Koolance directly.
http://linkecomputer.com/

If you want to import stuff from overseas, Performance-Pcs.com and FrozenCpu.com are my top choices.

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-12 19:19

BTW, avoid EK water blocks if you can.  I will not buy anything from them again after their last year's nickel plating fiasco.  They blamed the users first for using silver coils or copper sulphate biocide additives, but it really was their cheap nickel plating process at fault.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/har ... kel-plated-waterb/1

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 19:23

置於冷排方面，其實風扇都好重要，要配合風扇使用，
例如效能比較好似black ice gtx系列，基本上要2000左右rpm先發揮到好表現，
而有D 600rpm下已經ok，例如xspc RX系列，以上兩款都係原排。
但XSPC有隻薄排(EX系列)做到係1200RPM下同RX系列只係相差0.3度。

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-12 19:28

回復 20# hgcjeffrey
That is two years ago. The latest GTX 360 wins from 800 RPM and on:
http://skinneelabs.com/hwlabs-gtx360/3/#

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 19:29

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-12 21:49 編輯

回復 19# Amuro0079


    係，之前新出鍍鎳版有問題，用一D帶有銀既水冷液會出現令電鍍層腐蝕情況(官方自己解話係咁講的XD)
    而家已經出左新版叫EN，我自己就冇人怕，成套都係EN版，
    如果真係驚既咪唔好買EN版囉， EK一樣有出純銅版
    又唔洗杯葛人既

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-12 19:41


Doesn't really matter anymore since their CPU blocks aren't best performing any more,  both Koolance CPU-370 and XSPC Raystorm are better than EK's offerings.

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 19:44

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-12 19:57 編輯


其實係佢地個測試轉用左Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850同4250，穿透力強既風扇，
Black ice冷排EPC團購間唔中會有，通常落單後要再等多一個月(啱啱過年前先搞完，唔知幾時再有 )
唔想等既bitspowerHK都有賣，要$1100，但要唔知有冇貨。
如果唔介意比5,60蚊美金運費的話performance-pcs幫到你，但都要等一星期左右

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 19:54

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-12 21:47 編輯

回復 23# Amuro0079


    其實都係差1,2度，但EK無可口非性價比係最高($6XX VS $800)
    況且據EK自己話出左新版本，plates #6，效能可以再降多1~2度，
    Koolance效能係好D，但換黎既係更高既水阻。(370都有人話扣具做工好差)
    自己覺得, 邊隻好樣D就OK, 差o個一兩度，不如加多隻冷排或換把好D既風扇仲好，
    小弟係比較著重外觀的
   
    More informations you can find at: http://martinsliquidlab.org/category/blocks/
   
   

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作者: samtch    時間: 2012-2-12 20:39

個人意見是選CPU冷頭是選樣子/價錢
那個性能的分別..你裝得好一點/差一點已經沒大分別的了
另外冷排,小的也是建議用XSPC (低轉)/ BLACKICE(中高轉)吧, 有一點無可否認的是
最後還是得看價錢做人的, 可能你花多了幾百到千多,換來的只是幾度(我說的是3,4度..不是9度)^^, 看你覺得值不值吧, 如果是花得起的,也沒什麼^^

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-12 22:09



Thanks for replying, Case我用緊聯力PC-X2000F,

VGA多數唔上水, 因為VGA唔打算超 & VGA出新野太快

每個HARDWARE真係最BASIC要一個240厚排嗎? THX!

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 22:22

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-12 22:42 編輯

回復 27# FeverMike


    唔需要，佢係講緊cpu 同gpu，不過就算cpu+gpu都唔一定要2個240。
    請參考此文章:http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewt ... %26amp%3Btypeid%3D6
   
     簡單黎增加rpm就ok。如果以xspc 360冷排計1400rpm可以散到約400w熱，1800rpm可以散到500w左右既熱


我敢寫包單VGA你遲早都會上埋水
用QDC就可以好方便咁換

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作者: leungwaiyin    時間: 2012-2-12 22:38


前面改改可上480,後置都OK
簡單黎講28樓講嘅係用噪音換取效能
我以前通常係800-1000到(e加冇玩水)
唔知你用咩硬件,更加唔知你可以接受噪音去到咩程度
其實我研究左甘耐發覺上水最好做到一步到位,指嘅係主要部件,如mb,顯卡,cpu.
並他美觀如接頭,燈,ram block可以 慢慢黎
顯卡其實2-3年左右就會更新一個製程,e加咩都係出新野快,pcie3.0都味成熟,就講4.0
如果樓主有budget,我會上埋顯卡(<-重點)
不過如果你打算1年內換卡,甘你又冇水上bit要了.


ps:顯卡唔上水夏天你就知味xd

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-12 22:48

回復 17# hgcjeffrey

Mb 同 ram block自己覺得好睇就ok
其實M/B block 選 Koolance,  Ram Block 選 XSPC 我純粹選佢地個樣夠型格 XD
ram block要注意自己係咪緊 DOMINATOR ，唔係要另外買野加上去，幾難搵下...
我係用DOMINATOR GT

除左D5本身會分開調速版同冇調速版
咩因素決定用唔用調速版?

反而揀Top比較重要
http://www.xs-pc.com/products/la ... r/acrylic-dual-5-25”-reservoir-for-laing-d5/
The above is top + reservior, right?? use this ok??

4.Where (or which hk online shop) could i buy/order koolance's stuff in hk?
Koolanec好似得超痕專門店都埋a shop樓下有，並且唔齊，其他有人會pm你架喇
你講果2間我久唔久都睇佢地個網, 就係見佢地唔夠齊, 所以問下有冇d我唔知o既商號(如online shop), 其他果d係已經有人pm左我

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 22:51

回復 29# leungwaiyin


    而家GT1850已經靜到飛起，
    所以唔算係噪音換取效能，係金錢換取效能多D
    DOMINATOR 其實都幾熱下，既然用得DOMINATOR +塊BLOCK就OK，
    最緊要自己鐘意

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-12 22:57

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-12 23:10 編輯

Dear All C-hings,

All you guys are too amazing for a newbie in liquid cooling like me, especially jeffrey & amuro, thanks all of u. All u guys just provided tons of valuable information to me at once, i think i need some time to go through before i reply to all u guys individually. thanks again in prior to trouble u guys very soon after i went through the information. ^^"

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-12 23:11

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-12 23:12 編輯

回復 30# FeverMike

咩因素決定用唔用調速版?
調速版分5個lv，定速版既速度大概係調速版第4個lv，
一舨都會揀調速版，降速換取靜音。要靜能靜要勁能勁

http://www.xs-pc.com/products/la ... r/acrylic-dual-5-25”-reservoir-for-laing-d5/
The above is top + reservior, right?? use this ok??
鐘意就得

你講果2間我久唔久都睇佢地個網, 就係見佢地唔夠齊,
所以問下有冇d我唔知o既商號(如online shop)
應該都係o個幾間 or 淘寶 & performance-pcs, 其

他果d係已經有人pm左我
(真快手 )

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 01:08

回復 18# Amuro0079

Great selection on CPU and motherboard blocks.  Personally I would not water-cool the RAM since it's considered a low heat source.  It's just not worth the hassle and the added restriction to the loop.
i ever read some posts had stated that the surface temp. of ram is over 60-70 degree(c) when oc above ddr3-2000, that's why i would consider the ram blocks for the dominator GT, is it correct? And how about does it worth to eqiup a m/b block in the view of thermal field?

HWLabs GTX series are the best performing radiators.  They outperform any other brand from mid-low to high fan RPM settings (basically above 800 RPM nothing can touch it).  In my previous built, I had a HWLabs GTX 480 radiator and it did a great job cooling  a 980X @4.13Ghz  and two GTX 480 SLI at 850/2000 with fans at around 1300 RPM.
They seems very nice, i am considering for a 420 radiator, but not much issues for triple 140mm fan radiators are available from the common brands except koolance & hwlabs, any 140mm fan recommendation for the hwlabs GTX420?

For reservoir, if you have two extra 5.25in bays, the Koolance RP-452X2 Dual 5.25in Reservoir for 1-2 PMP-450/S Pumps is very good.  Just make sure it's Rev. 2.0:
http://www.koolance.com/water-co ... php?product_id=2025
This is very nice as well, and i was condering the Acrylic Dual 5.25" Reservoir for Laing D5 before
http://www.xs-pc.com/products/la ... r/acrylic-dual-5-25”-reservoir-for-laing-d5/
any comment?

honestly, most of ur advice just like a support to my foundings obtained from diff. forums, diff. product webpages...etc

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 01:14

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 01:25 編輯

回復 30# FeverMike

http://www.xs-pc.com/products/la ... r/acrylic-dual-5-25”-reservoir-for-laing-d5/
The above is top + reservior, right?? use this ok??

Don't use XSPC arylic bay reservoirs as the sides are pieced together with glue, and alcohol as well as some ingredients in premixed coolant can dissolved the glue causing leaks.  Also, the glue they use smells very bad, like burning silicon.  I had a XSPC dual bay res for single DDC pump a year and a half ago, and my entire loop gave off a strong chemical smell after about 3 weeks.  At first I thought my PSU was bad, but it turned out that the culprit was the glue that XSPC used.  The smell permeated through the Tygon tubing that I was using, so when I turned on my computer my entire room would smell like burning silicon.

The Koolance reservoir I recommend is machined from one solid piece of acetal, and no glue is used.  Also, it allows you to join the two the two water compartments together if you're using one pump or running two pumps in series.

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 01:19

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-13 01:24 編輯

回復 19# Amuro0079

BTW, avoid EK water blocks if you can.  
Thx for this reminder & no worry, i didn't consider the EK's blocks...
what i meant was not pretend to be an expert, it was just bcos of visual enjoyment,
i believe the visual enjoyment is somehow important as the cooling performance in
a liquid cooling system XD

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 01:21

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-13 01:22 編輯

回復  35# Amuro0079
understood!! so lucky to know this in this stage

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 01:30


I'd go for Black Ice SR-1 for noise and performance balance.

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 01:32

回復 35# Amuro0079


    ching睇黎係超完美主意者，少少瑕疵都唔可以有，盡善盡美       
    出過事點都會有條刺

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 01:47

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 01:49 編輯

I was lucky, actually, as I didn't experience any leaks with it during my one year of using that res.  

Some ain't so lucky and experienced leaks:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/for ... r-Laing-DDC-leaking

Most people will tell you to avoid acrylic bay reservoirs due to their high risk of leaking.

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 01:49

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-13 02:05 編輯

回復 34# FeverMike


    其實koolance都出過好多問題，唔知點解冇人點提過
    (例如QDC都試過漏水，要成批回收，QC問題其實間間都有架啦)
    唔係好建議用Koolance RP-452X2 Dual 5.25in Reservoir
    咩原因自己睇啦，我唔多講喇:

     

    140mm 好既風扇好難搵，如果用係gtx 更加難，厚排轉數要求要再高D，
    140mm fan係高轉數下嘈音唔野少架所以小弟都係用420rad轉用12cm fan，效果更好更靜
    如果14cm 最勁風壓應該都係e把13葉鋁風扇:
    不過嘈得驚人，要靜的話有WING14 OR Noiseblocker
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZz3JunlGUM
    http://www.prolimatech.com/en/pr ... ;subid=1205#showtab

圖片附件: self.jpg (2012-2-13 01:47, 42.27 KB) / 下載次數 55
https://www.hkepc.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=1318384&k=42f22d4d770236c8215bfc5744392973&t=1781387153&sid=14leALTbg0L

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 01:56

回復 40# Amuro0079


    其實我又覺得唔洗"斬腳指避沙蟲"
   小弟用EK 5.25" bay 水箱同水樽，不過都係一體過冇膠水位，
    唔係幫EK賣廣告，只係我用左半年都暫時冇問題
    大吉利是講句，可能遲D我o個隻都會出事都唔定架

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 02:02

回復 41# hgcjeffrey
That is the installation orientation when using  the stock pump top.

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 02:08


Any res using glue as a seal has higher risk of leaking, that is why it's not recommended, nothing to do with QC.  Koolance no-spill QDCs are still the beset though.  As for Koolance products in general, I wouldn't recommend Koolance prior to 2008, but they have improved a lot since then.

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 02:14

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 02:22 編輯

回復 41# hgcjeffrey

BTW, this what the Koolance rep said about orientation of the pump being upside down:




http://www.xtremesystems.org/for ... t-V2-quot-Koolance-*Dual-D-5*-Bay-Reservoir!-%28RP-452X2%29&p=5037938&viewfull=1#post5037938

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 02:17




    可唔可以掉轉裝，遲D應該會知
    不過說明書咁講，始終都有條刺，
    不竟1隻D5都成7百，隻水箱要成千。
    如果成千蚊個水箱有機會整壞隻D5，真係唔敢試

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 02:21

回復 44# Amuro0079


    QDC只係比喻而已
    我只係對Koolance隻新水箱隻D5咁裝法有所保留
    漏水問題完全唔擔心，因為個構做同係密封。

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 02:29

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 02:34 編輯

回復 47# hgcjeffrey
I know.  That is why I said the case with XPSC res having a higher chance of  leaking has nothing to do with QC.  It's simply bad to use glue in reservoirs.   Koolance's  QDC leaking problem was due to a bad batch.

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 02:30

回復 48# Amuro0079


    明白

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 02:35

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 02:36 編輯

回復 49# hgcjeffrey
BTW, the issue with EK nickel plated blocks last year has nothing to do with bad QC either.  The problem was that they tried to save money by adopting a cheap plating process.  They now use the much expensive electroless plating.

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 02:37

回復 50# Amuro0079


    哩個我知道，佢賣得平，要折省成本係無可口非，只係佢地蠢左，有d野真係唔慳得

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 02:44

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 02:45 編輯

How do you like EK's water block mounting methods?  Their old method was very complicated and people didn''t like it (myself included, one of the reasons why I never used any EK blocks),  and now they changed to the easy mount,  but performance of the blocks has since dropped due to the new mounting system not providing enough mounting pressure.  I almost picked one up two months ago but decided not to.

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 03:00

回復 52# Amuro0079


    說過了，我係外觀行先，效能就算差5度我都唔係太介意
    自己覺得加多個冷排或用D好D既風扇已經足以離補。
   
    小弟玩左水冷一年都冇，不過我又唔係成日裝/拆既人，難裝都係裝一次或兩次
    (說真的，EK R4E個BLOCK真係難裝到核爆)
    況且睇測評同其他BLOCK相差都唔夠一度。。。

    唔同人有唔同要求，最重要睇下自己想要D咩，高效能?要靜?定係好似我咁當砌模型咁玩。
    先好決定要買咩野。

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 11:10



我之前都刨過果個如何選擇冷排嘅post, 非常實用，所以我之前先諗240or280排...

你話敢寫包單我連VGA都會上水，其實都頗大可能，因為我換腦果時已一心諗住等N記PCI-E3.0嘅高階卡，
所以之前只係買張560Ti頂住檔先 ^^"

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 11:57

本帖最後由 hgcjeffrey 於 2012-2-13 11:59 編輯

回復 54# FeverMike


    排唔怕多，日後加block都唔洗煩，嗰編文章係解釋點先叫做夠冷排。
你連ram都唔放過，又點會放過vga呢

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作者: yaocc0456    時間: 2012-2-13 12:17

回復 55# hgcjeffrey


    同意最重要多排
我692都要上4個排先爽

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 12:20

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 12:35 編輯

回復 53# hgcjeffrey
I agree that looks are important too, one of the reasons I picked up CPU-370 instead (looks so sexy).  But now I'm falling for the Raystorm.

I am also using R4E, but I'm not water cooling it, as it runs cool enough on air.  I also really hate Intel's X79 mobo layout, I mean why the hell have RAM slots spread over top and bottom of the CPU socket?  Also the SB-E chip core layout is insane.  All the cores are on the sides top and bottom instead of in the middle of the die, making all of our water blocks less effective.  

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 12:34


Waiting for EVGA GTX 680 FTW Hydro Copper 3, here.  

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 12:40

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-13 12:49 編輯

回復 41# hgcjeffrey

你地分享嘅野正正係我顧慮嘅，我都睇過呢個D5安裝方向問題
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/sho ... only-alphacool.html
我想問可唔可以&建唔建議就咁用上面個摩打加泵Top使用?

你420排用120風扇用邊隻adaptor?
如果420排用120mm Fan x3，會唔會同用360排差唔多?

另外你話用緊果個5.25"水箱係EK官網果個雙水流顯示水箱?

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 12:53




    加top用完全冇問題，
    水箱用緊單水流計嗰隻。

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 12:58

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 12:59 編輯

I respectfully disagree here.   The law of diminishing returns applies to water cooling.  Radiators work best with the greatest difference in temperature. For example, let's say the first pass releases heat with 75% efficiency, and the second pass works at 50%, and then the next pass at 25% efficiency and so on and so forth.  Having a single large rad is also more efficient than having multiple smaller ones at various points in the loop.  Not to mention with too many rads, your tubing length will be a problem.  A decent single 480 rad is more than enough to cool CPU + 2 GPUs.

Diminishing returns applies to pumps too.  Adding a second pump helps lower the water temps if your flow rate is below 1 GPM (rarely happen unless you have 20 rads and blocks in your loop), but once past the 1 GPM mark, the improvement is negligible.  For most users, the only reason to run two pumps in one loop is for redundancy.

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 13:11

回復 29# leungwaiyin

師兄，我度過上420排最fit，唔洗太大改動

噪音方面可減則減，否則我都唔揀呢個箱&機箱我放檯面...

Hardware方面，CPU: 3930K，板: Asus R4E，
RAM: Corsair Dominator GT 2133 4x4g (密謀起孖中 xp)
你講得冇錯，VGA應該1年內換，因為換腦時已打算等N記PCI-E3.0高階卡，
所以買左560Ti用住先...

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 13:16

回復 59# FeverMike

隻420冷排係Aquqcomputer Airplex Revolution,
佢一邊係140mm fan mount, 反轉另一邊係120mm fan mount
http://skinneelabs.com/ac-airplex-revo/

如果用120mm fan 效能都比其他360排高4，5度
http://skinneelabs.com/2011-2012-radiator-comparison/4/

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 13:34

回復 61# Amuro0079


    ching, 你會錯意喇, 唔怕多唔等於越多越好,只係LZ之前睇過覺得240都已經夠, 但佢個位裝到360, 甚至420, 咁點解唔買個大d呢, 價錢都係差好少

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 13:41

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-13 13:45 編輯

OK, I see.  

He has 140mm x 3 fan space in the front, so probably 420 with the default Lian Li 1200 RPM fans, also save on a fan controller.

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 13:45

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-13 13:53 編輯


排唔怕多，但我唔想改太多隻箱，又唔鍾意外置影響儀容 ^^"

如果唔係揀左dominator gt 黎用，應該唔會諗ram block; 揀xspc係因為佢
個dominator ram block有led, 唔洗自己再加，視覺享受都係水冷重要一環 XP

上埋VGA的話，單泵單loop夠做嗎?

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 13:52


Of course enough.  People don't realize how powerful the D5 or a DDC pump is.  As for your RAM blocks, since the X79 motherboards have RAM slots on both sides of the CPU socket, and since you're also cooling the motherboard chipset, it can be a challenge to route the tubing.   How fast are you running your RAM at?  I believe the GT only uses 1.5V even at 2133mhz  (unlike some other brands that need 1.65V) , which shouldn't be a problem for air cooling.

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 14:14

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-13 14:45 編輯

回復 67# Amuro0079

dear amuro, the reason for considering the xspc dominator
ram block is mainly due to visual enjoyment ^^"

its great about the hose routing problem u mentioned, its
an important issue

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 15:08



http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/sho ... servoir-acetal.html
This one?

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 16:55


I have no issue with your block choice, just questioning if it really is necessary to water cool your RAM.

If you will not consider running two pumps, the Danger Den Monsoon D5 bay reservoir is another great option.  There are 3 colors to choose from, black, blue, red, and bunch of other options.

http://www.dangerden.com/store/pump-bay-reservoirs/

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 17:00


回復 64# hgcjeffrey
You should say 唔怕 big, ha ha.  

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 17:14

回復 69# FeverMike


    This one:

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-13 17:16

回復 71# Amuro0079


    面積唔怕多

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-13 21:43



These "cameras" are good, addicted!!!

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-13 22:06


Yeah, and performance is great also.  

Check out the review:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2011 ... m-d5-bay-reservoir/

The latest revision has fixed the motor end cap issue mentioned by the review.

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-14 15:54

Really very good!! could i find or pre-order from local shop? Or have to order overseas?

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-14 20:37

各位C-HING, 又係我, 又有事請教:

1. 頭先o係度睇你地D回覆, 發覺你地講風扇對散熱排效能增減o既時候都係用轉數(RPM)做基準, 而唔係用風流量(CFM)或者風壓(mmH2O)做基準, 係因為你地默認左某種風扇? (e.g. Scythe Gentle Typhoon) 定還是其他原因?

2. 冷卻液邊隻至正? 還是因水冷硬件而異? 其實用汽車果d冷卻液得唔得?
因為我諗汽車冷卻要求唔會比電腦低, 而唔係為左慳一百幾十...

又問住咁多先, thanks!!

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-14 20:38

回復 75# Amuro0079

Really very good!! could i find or pre-order from local shop? Or have to order overseas?

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-14 21:06

回復 77# FeverMike


    1.因為CFM 難度，而測評網通常都會用最好既風扇黎做試驗，所以大家都跟任用RPM。

    2.蒸餾水都得加D防腐液或純銀入去就ok, 效能會更好添，
      車用水箱水冇問題，稀釋黎用就得。
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFd3l13VrFA&sns=em

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-14 21:41

回復 79# hgcjeffrey

蒸餾水都得加D防腐液或純銀入去就ok, 效能會更好添，
      車用水箱水冇問題，稀釋黎用就得。

where could find the silver u mentioned?

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-14 22:21

回復 80# FeverMike

IandH Silver KillCoils
   
http://www.performance-pcs.com/c ... p;products_id=28871

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-14 23:15

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-14 23:33 編輯

回復 80# FeverMike
performance-pcs.com has everything, the Monsoon reservoirs, silver kill coil, etc.  

If you have nothing but copper in your loop, distilled water + silver kill coil is the best.  But if you use any plated water blocks, fittings, there's a risk of corrosion when running water without any corrosion blocker,  so to be safe it might be a good idea to add some anti-corrosion addictive to your loop.   The problem with addictives is that you'll have to deal with toxins, and some of them are very toxic.  However, there are pre-mixed coolants with anti-corrosion agents  that are non-toxic, such as the ones from PrimoChill, EK, Koolance, etc.  If you decide to go with premix, I recommend use clear/colorless ones.  Colored coolants contain dyes that will stain your tubing, and may also react with the metals in your loop resulting in sludge build-up.  Also, I'd use high performance liquids, like Primochill Pure, Koolance High Performance, in stead of the non-conductive ones, because all liquid coolants will eventually be conductive anyway.

BTW, stay away from Feser fluids because they are ethylene glycol based, which are very toxic.

Please read these two articles.  They're very helpful.
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012 ... g-of-water-cooling/
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/01/24/corrosion-explored/

Lastly, I wouldn't recommend use of car coolants in computer water cooling loops.  The heat transfer capability of these coolants  may not be great.

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作者: yaocc0456    時間: 2012-2-14 23:22

回復 82# Amuro0079


    師兄可唔可以打小小中文
我想研究下都有排學英文

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-14 23:25


It will take a long time for me to type in Chinese.  Plus I need to use an app called NJStar, which I don't have it installed right now, as I only know Pin Yin.  

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作者: mlc130104    時間: 2012-2-15 01:14

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作者: hgcjeffrey    時間: 2012-2-15 02:09

回復 83# yaocc0456


    等我幫佢翻譯一下:

如果你成個水道入面只係得銅，蒸餾水+銀圈係最好。
但如果有水冷頭或鎖咀係有任何電鍍時，會有機會出現腐蝕情況，
就要用一D抗腐蝕添加劑，咁會比較安全。

但要注意，有D添加劑係非常毒，不過都有D已經混合左既水冷液係冇毒性，
例如PrimoChill, EK, Koolance,等等。

我建意用透明或者無色既冷卻液，有色既冷卻液中含有染料，會整污糟你D喉管，亦有可能產生金屬反應，導致有沉積物，阻塞水道。

另外，我用過比較高效能既冷卻液，例如Primochill Pure, Koolance High Performance，除左佢地都係防導電之外，其實全部冷卻液都係會導電。

順便一提，遠離Feser冷卻液，因為佢係用乙二醇(ethylene glycol)作為基礎，此乃非常毒，
請詳細閱讀哩兩編文章，好有用。
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012 ... g-of-water-cooling/ http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/01/24/corrosion-explored/

最後，我唔建議車用水冷液用係電腦水冷系統入面，因為當中既熱轉換(熱傳導)未必係十分好。

有錯請更正

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-15 10:46

回復 81# hgcjeffrey


    place the silver kill coil in the reservior? Or how to use?

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作者: HKDMC    時間: 2012-2-15 11:11

回復 87# FeverMike


    放落水箱最簡單方便

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作者: HKDMC    時間: 2012-2-15 11:12

回復 82# Amuro0079


    Monsoon reservoirs

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-15 11:23



me toooo...my chi. typing is very slow, so i wont type chinese if
i have to type loooong article or by hand writing of smartphone,
too annoying XP

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-15 11:37


I think there are new versions but I'm using a very old one that is free.

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-15 11:41

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-15 11:43 編輯

This, and there're other color options of course:

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-15 11:47

回復 86# hgcjeffrey
Wow, that is 98% accurate.  

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-15 11:51



Or in 水道.  The default coil size fits 1/2" ID (4分) tubing perfectly, and only needs a little twisting for 3/8" tubing.

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-15 11:52



Wats special with monsoon reservior?

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-15 12:12

本帖最後由 Amuro0079 於 2012-2-15 12:35 編輯

Serves as reservoir and a pump top for D5;
Much better pump performance than stock top;
2 sets of inlet/outlet allowing parallel loops;
Looks great with built-in LED control on the front  (see that two little black dots on the top of the faceplate, they're LED buttons).

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-15 12:22

本帖最後由 FeverMike 於 2012-2-15 12:37 編輯

回復 96# Amuro0079


    amuro, wat reservior r u using?

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-15 12:38


I used the XSPC bay res for a year, then I tried the Koolance dual bay rev 1.2, didn't like it as it's really hard to bleed.  Now, I'm using an external Koolance unit ERM-3k3UC features a 1080 rad and a PMP450S (D5 Strong) 24V pump.  I'm getting the Monsoon for my next built.

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作者: FeverMike    時間: 2012-2-15 12:45

回復 98# Amuro0079


did ur xspc reservior leaks b4?

for the monsoon, are u going to order from performance pcs or danger den online shop?

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作者: Amuro0079    時間: 2012-2-15 15:20


No it never leaked, but the glue that XSPC used made my loop smell after about 3 weeks.

I will order from Performance-pcs, because I usually try to order everything from one place to minimize shipping cost, unless they don't have the item in stock.  I have ordered from Danger Den before as well, and their service is great, even accepted my partial returns without charging re-stocking fees.