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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-13 23:06     標題: Review - Osram Night Breaker Unlimited, D1S

本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2016-11-23 22:15 編輯

Review: Osram Night Breaker Unlimited, D1S





Introduction
The dangers in terms of limited visibility are clear: It is a factor in 2.8 million accidents, 23,000 fatal crashes and 2,300 pedestrian deaths each year, according to the Motor Vehicle Lighting Council.  Dim headlight bulbs and hazy plastic headlight lenses or surfaces may lead to this reduced visibility, putting you, your passengers and other cars at risk. The AAIA Car Care Council found that 26 percent of the cars it inspected had issues with their lighting system.
視野受限的危害是顯而易見的：根據汽車照明委員會，它是每年造成280萬宗意外，23000宗致命車禍和2300行人死亡的一個因素。昏暗的車燈燈泡和朦朧的塑料大燈透鏡或表面可能導致這種能見度降低，把你，你的乘客和其他車輛處於危險之中。AAIA汽車護理會發現，他們進行檢修的汽車入面，26％的照明系統出現問題。

On the other hand, according to Ministry of Transportation, Government of Ontario, you are
"Overdriving (I have also seen people call it outdrive) your headlights when you go so fast that your stopping distance is farther than you can see with your headlights. This is a dangerous thing to do, because you may not give yourself enough room to make a safe stop. Reflective road signs can mislead you as well, making you believe you can see farther than you really can."
50km/h = 30m
70km/h = 40m
80km/h = 60m
另一方面，根據安大略政府交通部，當你
“行走速度加快，你的剎車距離比你可以用你的車燈看到更遠，這情況便是過速於你的車燈。這是一個危險的事情，因為你沒有給自己足夠的空間來進行安全的停車。反光路標可以誤導你，讓你相信你可以比現實看到更遠。“


My factory original Bi-xenon sucks big time.
They are poorly designed and only illuminate about 10m in front of you.
I can only see pedestrian walking on zebra crossing until very late I almost crashed a few times at night.
我的原廠雙氙氣很差，它們的設計不佳，只能照亮你面前約10米。我要到很遲才看到在斑馬線上行走的人，我幾乎在晚上撞毀幾次。


Needless to say, I was looking for a way to improve the visibility at night and ease the strain on eyes.
I have already tried to replace the luminaire, and things improved by 1000%.
The next step will be increasing the brightness while maintain road legal, which are equally important.  These Osram Night Breaker Unlimited bulbs seem to fit my need.
不用說，我一直在尋找一種方法來提高夜間能見度，緩解眼睛疲勞。
我已經嘗試更換燈具，事情改善了1000％。
下一步將增加亮度的同時保持公路的法律，這是同樣重要的。這些歐司朗黑夜斷路器無限燈泡似乎符合我的需要。



Product description (adapted from Osram):






Claim (from Osram's product description):
- Up to 70 % more light on the road
- Light cone up to 20 meters longer
- Up to 5 % whiter light
- Efficient xenon technology for same long life as standard bulbs



Details:
1. Packaging: Individually packed in paper box　包裝：獨立包裝的紙箱
2. Directions: "XENARC lamp change is recommended to be carried out by a professional."　指示：“XENARC燈的改變建議由專業進行”。
3. Construction: Metal base with glass gas discharge element　結構：玻璃氣體放電元素及金屬基座
4. Color: Silver / Clear　顏色：銀色/清
5. Scent: N/A　氣味：N/ A
6. Price: I dont sell light bulbs.
7. Cost: $$$ + Replacement cost　成本：$$$ + 更換成本
8: Manufacturer: Osram　製造商：歐司朗
9: Made in: Germany　產地：德國



Environmental Conditions:
16*C / 60F
~50-70% RH
My car has done 7800km now so the original bulbs are pretty new.
我的車只有7800公里，原本的燈泡是非常新的。


A picture is worth a thousand words.  We shall see some photos first and rejoin for the pros, cons and verdict.
一張圖片勝過千言萬語。我們首先看到一些照片，之後回來看優點，缺點和判決。



Before installation.  28mm, F8.0, 0.8", ISO100.  Near wall distance ~6m.  Far fence distance ~12m.  New luminaire with new car stock D1S.
安裝前。近牆的距離大約 6m，遠的圍欄距離大約 12m。新燈具新車D1S。


After installation.  28mm, F8.0, 0.8", ISO100.  Near wall distance ~6m.  Far fence distance ~12m.  New luminaire with Osram NBU D1S.
The wall is slightly better.
Even though the white car is gone and no longer help to reflect some light back to the brown fence, the road surface and brown fence are obviously brighter.
安裝後。近牆的距離大約 6m，遠的圍欄距離大約 12m。新燈具NBU D1S。
牆上是稍微好一點
儘管白色車走了，不再有利於反射一些光回棕色圍欄，但路面和棕色圍欄都明顯更亮。



I noticed that the color of my headlights appear to be whiter and warmer than stock after initial break in.
The following photos compare it well.  From top left to bottom right: LED DRL, HID, Halogen, LED amber indicators.
HID does not necessary mean brighter or further reach, just more glare guaranteed.
我注意到我的頭燈的顏色比原廠更白更暖。
下面的照片可進行比較。從左上角到右下角：LED晝行燈，HID，鹵素燈，LED黃色指示燈。
HID並不一定意味著更亮或更遠，只是保證更刺眼。


They look some how similar up close eh?  If we drive it out of the carpark, things are totally different.
Here I have a sample photo of what my lights look outside projecting on a black car.  That is about 100m away from my car?
The legs shadow allows you to see the difference between background and headlights illuminance.
他們看起來有點相似吧？但是，如果我們開車出了停車場，東西是完全不同的。
在這裡我有一張我車燈投射在黑色車的樣品照片。這大約是100米從我的車？
腿的影子讓你可以看到背景和大燈照度之間的差異。



The following image is provided by Dominik Schuierer on his Audi TT 8J.
He was comparing an approx. 2000 hours factory stock bulb to a brand sparkling new Osram NBU D1S.
See the amazing difference?
下面的圖片是由 Dominik Schuierer 提供的。
他比較的一個2000小時原廠燈泡及歐司朗新 NBU D1S。
看到驚人的差異？




Pros:
+1 More light on road for higher brightness
+2 Longer light cone for further reach
+3 Whiter light for better visual
+4 Same claimed service life as standard
+5 Not crazy expensive when compared with other top brand products


Cons:
- none


Conclusion:
I can clearly see my headlight projection reach vertical walls and road signs several hundred meters away.  Everything is lit up bright and crystal clear.  The headlights remain focused so will not cause glare to others.  
我可以清楚地看到我的大燈投射到幾百米外的垂直牆壁和路牌。一切都被照亮了明亮和清澈。大燈可繼續聚焦而不會造成眩光給他人。

Regarding "whiter light", I have noticed that the Osram NBU D1S is indeed whiter than the shtty bluish stock light bulbs.  NBU looks more like daylight and are very comfortable to look at.  Thanks to more red in the spectrum, I think the CRI has improved and things become more colourful.
關於"較白"，我注意到歐司朗D1S NBU比原廠的垃圾藍燈泡較白。NBU看起來更像是白天，而且非常舒服。由於在頻譜更紅了，我覺得CRI有所改善，事情變得更加豐富多彩。

Please understand white is different from blue.  One screen here is more accurately calibrated to display white, while another screen is not.
請理解白色和藍色是不同的。以下其中一個屏幕更準確地校正白色，而另一個屏幕則不是。

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/mac/imac2011/whitepoint.jpg

Also, headlights with higher colour temperature than 4300K are for idiots only.  Oh yes, most factory original LED headlights from makers like BMW, VW-Audi, Toyota or Honda are in the range of 5000-6000K, or even higher.  They make a lot of glare to other road users, but dont do much at illuminating the road:
"While the Audi's LED lights glowed with a bright intensity similar to that of HID lamps, their overall performance was unimpressive in our testing. We found a sharp cutoff at the top of their beam, and a shorter reach on both high and low beams than a good set of conventional halogen or HID bulbs."
Source: ConsumerReports
而且，較高色溫的大燈只有白痴才用。哦對了，寶馬、大眾奧迪、豐田或本田等生產商的原廠LED頭燈都在5000-6000K範圍內，或更高。他們做了很多眩光給其他道路使用者，但在照亮道路做得不多：
“雖然奧迪的LED燈閃著類似HID燈的強度，他們的整體表現在我們測試中給人印象不佳。我們發現他們頂部有尖銳的分界，並在高和低燈時比一套好的傳統鹵素燈或HID燈泡還短的照明範圍“。
來源：消費者報告


http://www.toyota-4runner.org/en ... know-then-some.html

Having driven the 3rd gen OOOO TT with LED headlights myself.  I strongly agree with the findings of Consumer Reports these are the most miserable headlights in 21st Century and you pay big money for buying junk.
自己開過第三代TT OOOO用LED頭燈。我十分同意消費者報告所言，這些是21世紀最慘的大燈而你付出重金購買垃圾。

http://www.autoevolution.com/new ... o-91050.html#agal_0


To conclude, the increased light quantity compared to standard xenon lamps ensures visibly better illumination of the road surface.  This means greater visibility and a significantly longer response time.  Perfect bulbs for fatigue-free and comfortable drives.
總括而言，相比標準氙氣燈的光量增加，能確保道路表面明顯更好的照明。這意味著更大的能見度和顯著較長的反應時間。理想的燈泡給予無疲勞和舒適的駕駛。

I will not hesitate to buy Osram NBU again, and I will definitely recommend NBU to friends.
我會毫不猶豫地再次購買歐司朗NBU，我一定會推薦NBU朋友。



Score: 7/10
Recommended.
Questions and comments welcomed.

Description:
0/10 - Fail / Does not meet its claims
1-2/10 - Fail / Only meet some of its claims, and may have some disadvantages
3-4/10 - Fail / Only meet some of its claims, but may have some advantages
5-6/10 - Acceptable / Meets all of its claims
7-8/10 - Recommended / Meets all of its claims well and possess advantage over other products
9-10/10 - Highly recommended / Meets all of its claims and set a new standard on the market

P.S.:
Here are some photos taken from online sources.
I do not see such great difference so you be the judge:

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作者: hkcky    時間: 2015-2-13 23:32

呢 d 燈個插頭係咪架架車唔同？定係 standard 黎？

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-13 23:40




    There are only a few types of plug for all cars in the world.
Just like light bulb at home.

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-14 00:24

本帖最後由 ckkong97 於 2015-2-14 00:39 編輯


Xenarc Night Breaker Unlimited is for Xenon (HID) type
Night Breaker Unlimited is for Halogen type

Xenarc Night Breaker Unlimited does not have D4S available... only D1S and D2S

BTW, where do you buy from?

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作者: cacacaca    時間: 2015-2-14 00:59

呢只D1S osram xenon 4300K.5000K都用過.4300K比較黃.5000K比較白同光.但係大陸路燈轉曬LED.夜晚同落雨開咗都唔知有無開...宜家用Philip 4200K感覺比O記4300K光.
另外大陸有人做過測試可以參考下
http://www.xcar.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=20443533

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-14 01:01

本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2015-2-14 01:05 編輯



    NBU D1S is available in 4300K.
The CBI bulb you linked is another product.

Btw, my old car has Philips Xtreme Vision +100% in H1.
They are very bright too and shine further than most factory stock HID.

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-14 01:07

I have the NBU too, but still brand new in box don't have time to install.

I am running Osram CBI in my car now.  Great light in good weather but the color temperature is too high, visibility is not so great in rain.


圖片附件: 2014-07-15-08.19.55.jpg (2015-2-14 01:07, 67.57 KB) / 下載次數 188
https://www.hkepc.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=1763600&k=28b944d016709ccd8fb81c56f17a9314&t=1781795391&sid=4NkmRTb9Mj

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-14 01:14

Where to buy OSRAM in HK? or buy from taobao ?

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作者: cacacaca    時間: 2015-2-14 01:23

回覆 8# ckkong97


TB可以去osram旗艦店安全D.亦可以去US AMAZON買.,可以直接寄來HK

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-14 01:30

本帖最後由 ckkong97 於 2015-2-14 01:32 編輯


我就係見淘寶由四百幾到旗艦店賣1180 人仔... 都唔知邊隻係真....淘寶買一隻價錢amazon 買一對...
之前買philips 4300k OEM 都係amazon 買... 一對連運埋黎香港大約一千蚊度...
5000k 要成千三蚊...

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作者: cacacaca    時間: 2015-2-14 01:44

1180人仔系CBI.5500K色溫果只.賣4xx果D話系拆車件.正常4200k左右都係3xx左右一只. 唔知點解接近5000K左右會貴噤多.Philip都系噤.

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-14 01:51



最衰Philips XV 無D4S ... 如果買新貨都係amazon 抵啲, 淘果啲拆車件都唔知用左幾耐...

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-14 11:18

本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2015-2-14 11:20 編輯



    Yes.
4000K-4200K is the brightest color temperature in my honest opinion.
blue bulbs over 4500K are poor at lighting anything.

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作者: Sh4dow    時間: 2015-2-14 13:02

如果以上邊停車場既圖去睇... 原帖幾米外既斑馬線上既行人都睇唔到既話係唔係應該眼有問題或者過緊馬路既人係全黑....

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作者: trajectory    時間: 2015-2-14 16:50

I also just replaced my OEM Osram D2S 66040 with the newer 66240 after 1 old bulb died and the other one was yellowing to the point it was quite noticable.  It's best practice to replace them in pairs anyways.  

I also didn't want the CBI versions.  They just look way too blue and makes thing look fuzzy at night.  The 4300k temp gives things a nice contrast so you notice movement before you actually see the object clearly.  That give you time to react.

I also read the colour temp doesn't stabilize until after about 20 hours of use.  I haven't noticed any changes after about 5 hours, so maybe that's with old technology.

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作者: uzone02    時間: 2015-2-14 17:05

I am going to get a pair of this too...

Did jor lots of research before

Almost 6/10 ppl also agree Osram is brighter than the Philip

Anyone will buy it sooner or later ?

Count me in

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-14 23:05



Yes... you are right. higher color temperature bulbs emit fewer lumens than lower color temperatures
http://www.everythingcobalt.com/hid-color-chart/

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作者: BEpsilon    時間: 2015-2-15 04:15

本帖最後由 BEpsilon 於 2015-2-15 04:17 編輯

I would love to get a pair.
Are there any good places in Hong Kong? Or should I get them from US-Amazon instead?

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-15 12:28

本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2015-2-15 12:34 編輯


Thank you for your suggestion.
I have tested my eye sight and they are pretty good.
However, the factory HID luminaire produce very poor projection it only covers about the first Arrow to the stop line before zebra crossing, while generate plenty of glare to other cars.
These photos are taken after replacing the luminaire on my car.

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-15 12:32




    Where did you buy your CBI?
The reason I didnt get CBI is because they are too blue for my taste.

My camera photos doesnt show it, but the NBU D1s are indeed more yellowish than my factory HID.  Thanks to more red in the spectrum, I think the CRI has improved and things become more colourful.

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作者: trajectory    時間: 2015-2-15 14:20

回覆 20# PPLd

I didn't.  I got 66240 non-CBIs off of amazon.  

The CBIs are too blue for me too... way too Audi.  

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-15 14:44




    http://www.osram.com/osram_com/p ... productId=ZMP_61162

This one?

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作者: trajectory    時間: 2015-2-15 20:09

回覆 22# PPLd

That's the one.  I bought a pair that came in the nice protective clear plastic case.  Almost dropped a bulb opening it though as one was stuck to the top half of the case.  

As the D2S comes with a separate igniter, I replaced them at the same time.  Hella's Gen4 igniters isn't the most expensive thing in the world.

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-16 16:53



我套CBI用咗好耐啦，果時未有 NBU。

CBI 個 selling point 係個膽自己發白光，個膽本身無染藍色，所以佢 keep 到 3200 lumen。用儀器度同 stock 膽一樣咁光。但落雨天就太白唔夠 contrast，有時地下有野都要好近先睇到。

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-16 17:20




    I remember last time you showed a video about a guy crossing the road in front of you at night.
I think you switched to high beam at a moment?
even so i think the lighting is not enough...

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-16 19:39

本帖最後由 lawlaw01 於 2015-2-16 19:40 編輯


Yes.  Video is here.  The Golf HID projector aren't the best in class...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZZ42z0vEMA

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-17 01:47

Just for comparison: (image credit gold94corolla@hidplanet)

Low beam.  Left CBI, right NBU


High beam.  Left CBI, right NBU

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作者: uzone02    時間: 2015-2-18 00:47




    nice comparison.

Seems the CBI version wash out the yellow color of the dirt

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-18 07:20




    is it a benefit or drawback to wash out the yellowish look of dirt?

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-18 08:23



That is exactly what I noticed with my CBI; on concrete pavement (white/grey color) the bulb is very bright, but on asphalt (black/charcoal color) it is hard to see what is on the road because of the wash out (or lack of contrast from objects on the road).   Mine is worst than this because early CBIs are known to have color shift problem.  They start at 5000k when new, and will color shift to 5500k after 200 hours of use.

Given the comparison, and scientifically proven, a slight yellowish beam is better at improving the contrast.  On top of that, a lower temperature beam has better penetration in rain & hazy conditions.  That's why fog lamps and street lights are always yellow.

But I admit I like the outlook of the CBI over the stock color temperature.

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-18 08:26

回覆 30# lawlaw01

Well handsome has its price... :D

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-18 08:30



I should really find time to install the NBU after new year.

Maybe I do one eye CBI, one eye NBU.  Then I have best of both worlds

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作者: piggyman    時間: 2015-2-18 08:50

I am using D4R ... It seems to me that there is no suitable model supported!

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-18 09:22



    same for me using D4S

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作者: piggyman    時間: 2015-2-18 15:20

回覆 34# ckkong97


    WE are a group of poor guy!!  With HID but having no better alternatives!!

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-18 15:28




    I heard that you should start firing both HID bulbs at the same time, or they will never look the same.
I am not sure, but suggest you not to do CBI + NBU?

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-18 15:28




    Toyota doesnt need bulbs.
Your factory headlights are good.

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-18 16:11


I am being sarcarstic of course.

I will do both side at the same time.  Using bulbs with different color temp looks retarded.


(Sent from HKEPC iPhone app)

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-19 00:02



Only Philips OEM or OSRAM OEM version ....

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-19 09:49



Usually PIAA increase the Wattage.
I tk this is not road legal in EU or UK.
And may cause the headlights to melt??
Can someone confirm these rumors?

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-19 10:02



PIAA D4S 6000K 淘寶4600 人仔一對...

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-19 11:36




    Less than $3000/pair here~
Taobao is always crazy and you risk buying fake~

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作者: cacacaca    時間: 2015-2-19 11:43

回覆 41# ckkong97

PIAA不扭都貴.唔只TB貴.HK都系貴.不過真係唔知貴系邊..

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作者: ckkong97    時間: 2015-2-19 11:53



maybe including import tax in china ...

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作者: uzone02    時間: 2015-2-21 10:49




    For outlook, Yes, white light is much more adorable than the "a bit yellow" one

But in practical, I will choose NBU, as lawlaw said above, a slight yellowish beam give a better contrast and easy to spot the new coming object ...

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-26 03:39

過完年唔係太忙，今日有時間換 NBU。搞咗成個半鐘。VAG 有時d設計真係xxx，換隻 HID 燈膽要拆頭泵巴鬼面罩，成隻 housing 拆落黎先換到。

同之前隻 CBI 比，NBU 真係好黃。需要時間去適應下。一出車仲以為 downgrade 番去烏絲 halogen 膽。

唔講咁多，上圖。我部車因為要拆泵巴先換到膽，前後對比就欠奉了。雖然部爛鬼 note4 相機 white balance 唔係好o岩，但已經好接近。

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-26 07:21




    Yes NBU is the most yellow HID i hv seen.
which in my honest opinion gives a very good "CRI",
and they get yellower after a while.

woooo you are illuminating the road now!

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-27 23:40

本帖最後由 lawlaw01 於 2015-2-27 23:43 編輯


Yes they are very yellow.  I just found some old pictures today.  Car is against the same white tile wall in the parking garage.  Now you see what I mean when I say I need sometime before getting used to the NBU's yellowish beam.

CBI low beam


NBU low beam


CBI high beam


NBU high beam


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作者: cacacaca    時間: 2015-2-28 00:31

回覆 46# lawlaw01


最難換系左面司機位.根本系無位拿只燈膽出來.拆fuse箱蓋會好少少...有人講過鬆開左面泥水板螺絲.系車轆位置郁手好易換

NBU仲黃過舊版.都係用翻依家Philip算..

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-28 00:43


拆泥水板應該係換霧燈。車頭燈下面有塊鐵皮同泥水板隔開，無位落手。

Exactly.  我係拆到燈膽，不過攞唔到出黎。費事夾硬黎驚整爆隻膽，所以先拆泵巴。

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-2-28 09:23

本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2015-2-28 09:25 編輯



    Actually my car also...
I wonder why recent European cars have such a stupid design?
Would it be better during a crash? i dont know.

Edit:
My previous Nissan also has such design...
The owners manual tell you to remove pumper to replace bulbs.

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作者: cacacaca    時間: 2015-2-28 11:37

回覆 50# lawlaw01


如果無換改包圍换霧燈唔洗拆泥水板吖.直接拆開霧燈框松螺絲就可以成個霧燈拆出來.

個燈膽系易拆難攞.要比少少技巧偷位就得,不過安全計都係拆咗好D嘅.

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-28 12:41



Maybe better for crash test?  Or just an extra piece to seal off the engine bay from water splash?

可能根本無預會換燈膽。正常 HID，閒閒哋用6~7年都唔會燒。係我哋 seafood 痕先會換

我之前換 CBI 已經拆過一次，第一次唔熟搞咗3個幾鐘。今次個半鐘搞掂已經偷笑。

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-28 12:45



Actually 前/後都可以。拆霧燈罩成個霧燈拆出黎換 OR 拆泥水板伸手入去換。

GTI 塊泥水板直頭有個蓋，甩咗個蓋就換到。但普通 Golf 就無。好奇怪。

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作者: trajectory    時間: 2015-2-28 14:57



For my E60, the manual said replacing the HID bulbs "should be performed by a qualified BMW service technician", which translates to "we would like to take more of your money doing things that an untrained monkey can do, but purposely make completely obscure so that you can't".  

To open the HID compartment of the headlight assembly while it is still attached to the car is an impossibility.  There is maybe a 1.5" gap, and even if I could teach a 3 year old the finer points of replacing an HID bulb, I don't think he can reach in there.  

So, the way to go was to remove the entire assembly from the car, which is relatively easy.  Remove 4 bolts (needs an extension for 2 of them), detach the slide-lock clip for the harness, and wiggle it out while making sure you don't accidentally make a few unintended holes in your bumper.  Once the assembly is successfully removed from the car, you will be ready for a successful career in gynecology.

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-28 16:28



Same as mine.  There's about 1.5" to 2" gap between the headlight and the fuse box.  我隻手又大，真係識軟骨功都唔掂。

早期 BMW (起碼 E46 果代)，頭燈個透明罩甩開4個彈弓夾就可以單獨拆開。雖然換唔到燈膽，但係個燈罩舊咗變黃或者花咗可以換。又可以玩唔同款 projector lens。

而家無得咁玩，全部打晒玻璃膠封死咗。有乜事就要成隻換。

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作者: trajectory    時間: 2015-2-28 18:00

回覆 56# lawlaw01

When I tell people that my car shared my blood and sweat, I'm not kidding.  I'm pretty sure there's a few drops of my blood and probably also flesh in the headlight bracket and inside the lights.

That's right!  Hella made it one complete sealed unit.  I saw some modding people cut the lense out anyways to install those "my angel eyes are brighter than your high-beam" LEDs and what not, then glue it back together with epoxy, but I can't bring myself to cut open my new headlights that I only replaced last year since E60 parts prices have gotten a bit more reasonable (instead of both kidneys, now just the left one).   

They actually went back to removable lenses in the F10 generation I think.  I've seen an Adaptive LED F10 non-lci and a X6M Adaptive Xenon that were removable.  I'm guessing that the replacement lens prices starts at 2 healthy kidneys.

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作者: lawlaw01    時間: 2015-2-28 18:13



我仲諗緊換車。如果部 Golf keep 住揸我都會換頭燈。因為行 highway 俾石仔打到花晒一粒粒，好多火山窿。而家原廠燈平咗好多，一對原廠 Hella 4000 人仔有找。早幾年要 7000 一對未包 ballast 同燈膽。

E46 我見好多人拆開換 projector 玻璃鏡。因為原裝隻鏡唔掂。平平哋幾舊水換 ZKW 或 Koito 鏡已經光好多。

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作者: Yoda    時間: 2015-3-3 14:23

回覆 57# trajectory


I don't know about Bimmers but when a taxi broke the left beam on my Volvo xc90 a couple years ago the insurance claim was something like $18000 sans light bulb!  (I'm sorry to say because their insurace was paying I replaced the light bulb too! )

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作者: trajectory    時間: 2015-3-4 12:25

回覆 59# Yoda

Ouch... $18k for 1 side is quite steep.  It reminds me of the insurance repair quote someone in the states got for a Tesla Model S after getting hit in the rear quarter panel.  The body shop wanted USD $30k and the insurance company said, screw it, write it off, buy a new one.

I assume that's with dealer labour?  Bimmer dealers have something stupid unit called an FRU or flat rate units.  Nobody knows what an FRU translates to in hours, when I asked, the SA looked at me like I suddenly grew a horn out of my forehead like a unicorn.  

What I do know is that they quoted me something silly like 6 FRUs to replace both headlight assemblies.  Their procedure goes like this:
1.) Take car
2.) Run it over a speedbump the height of a small mountain at full throttle
3.) Park it in a service bay
4.) Hook it up to ISTA/P, proceed to flash all the module firmware in the car, kill a few of them
5.) Tell owner his car won't start and will need a new CAS and LM
6.) Install new CAS and LM after it arrives, judging from month it took, it probably came from Alpha Centauri
7.) Pull out headlight from the car, scratching as much area of the bumper as possible.
8.) Swap the bulbs over in a world record setting time
9.) Shove headlights back in, scratching the areas that were missed pulling them out

Total time car spent in the shop: about a month and a half.  
Total time spent on the original order: about 15 minutes (including 2 breaks).

Guess how much of the above scenario happen to me...  And they had the sheer audacity to charge me 6 FRUs for the headlights.  The moment the SA showed me the invoice, I thought to myself... "That unicorn horn would've come in handy.  I can stab him with it."

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2015-3-4 13:25




    LOL funny guy~
great mind think alike
i would nvr go to BMW service center again.

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作者: Yoda    時間: 2015-3-4 14:39

Yeah the dealers' SC are crazy.  I guess they made more money selling spare parts than the car!

Now I can buy spare parts from China and since my car has the cross border licence I can fix it in China too.  Dealers in China typically charge 2-300 RMB an hour rather than an arm and leg.

Last time I got the back of my mirror ripped off (only the plastic part) in China (yeah that still happens from time to time)  the HK dealer wants $3000 for replacement part and paint. I found one on TAObxx, ordered and have it sprayed and installed in China for RMB250!

Sorry buddy, kinda hijacked your thread but trajectory was such a funny guy, can't resist it!