作者: coffeeaddict 時間: 2019-8-20 20:34 標題: 歐洲車好撞過日本車?
有冇高見?
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作者: PPLd 時間: 2019-8-20 23:18
本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2019-8-22 15:48 編輯
I like questions. Questions mean brain activities.
I dont know if country makes a different?
I have driven Jap, Italian, German, African cars.
I am no expert, but I can only quote you scientific measurements?
You may take it for your own considerations:
New vs Old crash test, experts said old cars have 4 times higher death rate, why?
Premium vs ordinary cars, experts said ordinary cars was "a complete loss", why?

Large vs small cars, Jazz Fit scored a Poor while Accord scored Good, why?

Edit:
Euro vs Japanese boxy vans, Japanese often roll over causing injury to your unloved family members, why?


作者: coffeeaddict 時間: 2019-8-20 23:22
I can only quote you scientific measurements:
New vs Old crash test, old cars have 4 times higher ...
PPLd 發表於 2019-8-20 23:18
How about 歐洲車 vs 日本車?
作者: ckkong97 時間: 2019-8-20 23:41
好多因素.... 日本車普遍輕啲細架啲撞起上黎係輸啲....仲未計安全設備少左...
歐洲車天生多氣袋車重已經好大分別....
作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-21 00:13
本帖最後由 poopies 於 2019-8-21 00:14 編輯
佢問得咁籠統根本無乜好講。Volvo/Saab係歐洲車, FIAT NCAP零星之選又係歐洲車, 根本唔會有結論。
作者: kanduki 時間: 2019-8-21 00:36
當年IIHS整多樣small overlap唻試果陣
死淨啲乜廠嘅車
作者: coffeeaddict 時間: 2019-8-21 01:22
同size先去比較, 係會有結論
作者: PPLd 時間: 2019-8-21 09:33
本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2019-8-21 09:34 編輯
Good question. I actually spent whole night finding my old post for you.
I have added this into my original reply as well.
I observed many times that even in a controlled, scientific lab test environment, Japanese boxes often lose control / roll over potentially causing injury to your unloved family members.


作者: hyperbola 時間: 2019-8-21 10:42
如歐洲車比日本車好撞o的又如何,如果好撞o的但人係裡面傷o的又會點? 應該要計對車內乘客既保護先啱。
作者: coffeeaddict 時間: 2019-8-21 10:52
Good question. I actually spent whole night finding my old post for you.
I have added this i ...
PPLd 發表於 2019-8-21 09:33
Unloved? Lol
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作者: coffeeaddict 時間: 2019-8-21 10:53
如果唔好撞一定易死d
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作者: DGCNYO 時間: 2019-8-21 13:15
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作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-21 16:05
本帖最後由 poopies 於 2019-8-21 16:14 編輯
Apples to Apples, 但歐洲日本咁多車廠, 點樣可以籠統去比?
好似樓上一位ching用boxy van黎比較, 佢寫"Japanese boxes often lose control / roll over potentially causing injury to your unloved family members.", 但與此同時Fiat Qubo / Citroen Nemo / Peugeot Bipper MPV亦都係Elk test成架反肚, 部野九年前標準都只係得ncap三星。唔通咁又代表所有歐洲MPV都係極度危險?擺明唔係啦。
用地區/國家黎stereotype部車的安全程度根本就係廢噏, NCAP / IIHS大把資料點解唔去睇?
作者: stevechau 時間: 2019-8-21 16:10
IIHS連kill in accident都有車做到mazda subaru咁既grade tim......
作者: stevechau 時間: 2019-8-21 16:13
Good question. I actually spent whole night finding my old post for you.
I have added this i ...
PPLd 發表於 2019-8-21 09:33
其實係呢一個比較入面, BENZ車長好多同闊一截, 先天物理定律真係無咁易反車
係日本既BOX TYPE車身造得寧舍窄身, 唔好話易反車, 平時公路大風些許果陣開快少少都行唔穩啦
BENZ V-CLASS呢個CASE要搵返岩比例既日本7人車做比較的話, 應該係SIENNA/佛/ODYSSEY果D會好D~
作者: jukeqq2002 時間: 2019-8-21 17:16
本帖最後由 jukeqq2002 於 2019-8-21 17:17 編輯
歐洲車 vs 日本車
咁本無得咁比
德國MAN 24噸撞 Jazz 唔洗諗啦…
轉番轉FUSO 撞 BMW 1系
都係死
要比應該要係比同級
Jazz vs Fiat 500
Camry vs Jetta
XV vs X1
咁就差唔多
作者: PPLd 時間: 2019-8-21 19:32
本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2019-8-21 19:39 編輯
As you said they are similar size cars.
Like I said before I am not an engineer so I dont care the technical reason behind.
I just see results.
I dont recommend picking random crash photos.
I only recommend taking precise lab tests as foundation for comparison.

作者: DGCNYO 時間: 2019-8-21 20:58
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作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-21 21:18
我認同IIHS比較嚴緊, small overlap考起好多廠。佢宜家連燈影都評埋分, 對於外國無街燈的路黎講好重要。至於NCAP評分其實唔難明, 目前標淮只要部車無安全輔助裝置, 基本上就最盡得三星。只要你㩒入份report就會睇到佢每個column的獨立評分:Adult Occupant / Child Occupant / Vulnerable Road Users / Safety Assist, 呢個比星級更有指標作用。
作者: kanduki 時間: 2019-8-21 21:28
高身車側撞會唔會翻
套呔咬地程度應該佔唔少比重
如果捃架同V卡士近磅啲嘅日本車
今年已經有架Hiace 300系
雖然改版後俾車撞可能安全啲
但係入到啲地獄車場就反而變得唔多安全
作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-21 21:45
本帖最後由 poopies 於 2019-8-21 21:47 編輯
Del :/
作者: PPLd 時間: 2019-8-22 09:17
本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2019-8-22 09:23 編輯
Apples to Apples, 但歐洲日本咁多車廠, 點樣可以籠統去比?
好似樓上一位ching用boxy van黎比較, 佢寫"J ...
poopies 發表於 2019-8-21 16:05
As you may know, I have / had cars from different countries.
I dont know what OP wanted but forum is a place for sharing.
Thanks to your sharing I learned new car models never seen before!
So I checked the cars you mentioned in NCAP like you suggested.
They got basic rating of 3 stars!
作者: ckkong97 時間: 2019-8-22 10:03
IIHS 係dealer買車去撞, 連乘客果邊都試埋,黎緊好似想試埋後座乘客安全,而家前座又airbag 又force limit 安全帶,後座得普通安全帶有唔少case 前撞前座唔死後座俾安全帶整死
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作者: stevechau 時間: 2019-8-22 11:04
套呔都真係有D關係既......不過連套呔都計就好似計得太盡XDDD
作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-22 15:28
As you may know, I have / had cars from different countries.
I dont know what OP wanted but forum ...
PPLd 發表於 2019-8-22 09:17
呢部車NCAP rating已經過期。如果以2019 NCAP標準再測,我都幾肯定佢只會同Panda & Grand Punto同一下場,齊齊食蛋。
宜家呢一刻重有新車賣街,佢連前座乘客位氣袋,側氣袋同Traction Ctrl都係optional。我早兩年係有考慮過買呢部Qubo代替部舊Saab 93, 但睇完英國Which做個Elk test, 即刻唔再考慮。


Btw Merc V class的日本品牌同級應該係歐規ProAce。
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作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-22 15:36
講開又講,IIHS & NCAP都無做過高速炒尾的測試。
最近我搵到有一間機構做50mph rear offset crast test
測試主要目的係睇有無漏油,但對我黎講我最留意唔同車款撞尾時的車架表現。
上代Mazda 2完全係災難 *shrug*
到於對比組係部Nissan Juke


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作者: PPLd 時間: 2019-8-22 15:49
本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2019-8-22 15:58 編輯
呢部車NCAP rating已經過期。如果以2019 NCAP標準再測,我都幾肯定佢只會同Panda & Grand Punto同一下場 ...
poopies 發表於 2019-8-22 15:28
Nice sharing.
I didnt know NCAP ratings would expire?
And is the Elk test similar to Moose test?
Does Elk test involve crashing or those cars just self-destroyed?
Off topic:
I have heard of Moose test before.
It does not look like crash test but more like handling test?
Nissan had one of the most classic performances in modern car?



作者: coffeeaddict 時間: 2019-8-22 16:25
講開又講,IIHS & NCAP都無做過高速炒尾的測試。
最近我搵到有一間機構做50mph rear offset crast test
...
poopies 發表於 2019-8-22 15:36
這幾間testing機構有無收錢我好doubt, 我見d結果有時韓國車可以好高分哈哈
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作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-22 16:42
本帖最後由 poopies 於 2019-8-23 16:04 編輯
Nice sharing.
I didnt know NCAP ratings would expire?
And is the Elk test similar to Moose te ...
PPLd 發表於 2019-8-22 15:49
NCAP測試成積係有大約七年期限, 因為NCAP評分標淮每年都會提升, 所以舊有評級會過期 / 會做重測。

汽車安全主動性質的safety assist功能同樣重要, Elk test就係測試緊ESC反應, 模擬駕駛者駕駛其間需要急轉線黎避開障礙(e.g. moose)。
Elk test肥佬有幾架好出名:Jeep grand cherokee, 無記錯測左六架車, 全部都肥佬 / 97年部Merc A class & Renault Longan成架反肚。近年Elk test起飛腳其實都有好幾架, 除左架Nissan, 重有Dacia Sandero Stepway (即上代Clio crossover版) & Toyota Hilux。
有部份人對日本車有偏見, 但日本車主動/被動安全都做得好的車款其實都唔少。例如大眾款Honda Jazz GK各方面測試表現都唔錯, Elk test直頭以高速度過關, IIHS & NCAP評級良好, NCAP 20周年亦揀左部Jazz同部Rover Metro黎做對比測試, 宣傳汽車安全。樹大一定有枯枝, 不論係歐洲品牌定日本品牌, 所以睇安全一定係要睇獨立車款(特別係香港某d代理鐘意入雙氣袋款), 而唔係籠統咁一竹竿打一船人。
作者: poopies 時間: 2019-8-22 16:45
這幾間testing機構有無收錢我好doubt, 我見d結果有時韓國車可以好高分哈哈
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coffeeaddict 發表於 2019-8-22 16:25
點解韓國車一定會低分?單純因為你個人的刻板印象?
作者: DGCNYO 時間: 2019-8-24 09:01
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作者: coffeeaddict 時間: 2019-8-24 09:59
香港人打nba你信唔信?
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