Hippo

工業用氫氣全要來自steam reforming. 電解產生嘅氫太貴，比例好少。上Wiki search吓steam reforming就找到 ...
hetzer 發表於 2022-1-24 15:21

TOYOTA 氫車用氫廠同樓上講既 TORAY 新聞稿都係用電解水做氫, 唔係廣告來

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如果佢咁做，又話要平過電，點可能呀？用電做氫再用來發電平過原本D電，即係麵包平過麵粉，Toyota要貼錢先得。依家引你入局就乜都得，以後呢。所有projection話未來氫能源可以平，都唔係用電解。

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Hippo

回復 72 #hetzer

TOYOTA 係直接燒液化氫的
https://youtu.be/O0yM5RlD7Zo

而且日本歐盟都玩碳中和，要用再生能源來制氫
電解氫係唯一選擇，SIMENS, TORAY, 仲有間以色列公司既新技術都只係提高電解效率

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nelsonlee130

回覆 72# hetzer

路就梗係唔止一條
https://www.lnews.jp/2022/01/o0121304.html

#51 貼過 日澳政府發展coal to h2, 川崎隻運氫船早幾日到澳洲準備運第一水返日本

https://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=000000621.000012624&g=prt

https://finance.yahoo.co.jp/news/detail/20220121-00000118-jijf-bus_all

2030目標年產22万5000噸

btw 現行model Toyota Mirai (JPD20)係Fuel Cell車
人地根本無諗過淨係電解電解
https://toyota.jp/mirai/

Hippo

回覆 74# nelsonlee130

路唔止一條, 不過目標都係 green hydrogen, 如果唔係就如 #67 所講轉用氫只另類化石燃料
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_hydrogen
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/35790602.html

TOYOTA 係分散投資, HEV、PHEV、FCV、FCEV、BEV、乜車都搞, 唔係齋 JPD20
https://global.toyota/jp/newsroo ... d=ag478_from_pickup

nelsonlee130

回覆 75# Hippo


Australia's hydrogen dreams colored by 'blue' vs. 'green' divide

Hippo

回覆 76# nelsonlee130

EU 同 JP 都係 green, TOYOTA 連電解氫廠都起埋了

nelsonlee130

回覆 77# Hippo

JP政府唔係咁諗
先有JP-AUS consortium

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JP政府唔係咁諗
先有JP-AUS consortium
nelsonlee130 發表於 2022-1-24 21:57

"Furthermore, Japan’s national R&D agency, New Energy and Industrial Technology Development, is in the process of funding hydrogen projects that aim to establish a large-scale hydrogen supply chain ($2.7 billion allocated) and generate green hydrogen ($700 million allocated). The funding comes from the $20 billion Green Innovation Fund, which is one of the key policy tools under the green growth strategy, to support the mid-century carbon neutrality goal."

https://www.csis.org/analysis/japans-hydrogen-industrial-strategy

nelsonlee130

回覆 79# Hippo

While Japan sees reliance on hydrocarbon as inevitable in the short term, the country seeks for the long term to shift the source of hydrogen and fuel cells from fossil fuels like natural gas to renewable energy.

long term

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