本帖最後由 cocteau 於 2018-8-28 22:14 編輯

騙局。。。

算喇,我誠實地信任自已對耳,佢講乜就要我盲信都唔易。

其實我講咁多,都係想enjoy music既版友掉晒呢d老鼠屎指標,唔好比人洗腦。

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本帖最後由 bennetng 於 2018-8-28 22:26 編輯

2005年既 soundcard 已經用緊 multibit delta sigma 架喇, 包括 Soomal 自己用來做 review 的 emu 1616m
所以 DSD 標榜 1-bit 根本係搵笨
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/multimedia/creative-x-fi.html
The card is equipped with Cirrus Logic CS4398 DAC, advanced multi-bit Delta-Sigma architecture, 120 dB DR and -107 dB THD+N. The same DAC is used in E-MU 1212M/1820M, Creative Audigy4 cards.

Its ADC is the well known top AKM converter, advanced multi-bit architecture, 123 dB DR, THD+N -110 dB.

Many readers are scared by unknown words in the "converter architecture" line. There is an opinion that all high-quality converters (= "parallel", "multibit") are things of the past. Unfortunately, this opinion is supported by many competent and respected experts.

When appeared the first inexpensive converters with oversampling as well as 1-bit delta-sigma modulators, the quality of converters indeed left much to be desired, they were good only for low-end devices. That was their initial destination. However, drawbacks of these solutions were thoroughly analyzed later on. New research was conducted, technologies evolved, new designs were applied. These days modern delta-sigma multibit DACs have little to do with 1-bit delta-sigma modulators 15 years ago. Moreover, all DACs have different circuitry and implementation (quality of the elements). That's what governs the price and quality of a DAC.

Here is an architecture of a typical MULTIBIT DS DAC: 24-bit digital signal is 128x oversampled and then is applied to the digital DS modulator (DSM) operating at 6.144 MHz. In comparison with a 1-bit model, 5-bit DSM of the 3rd order generates insignificant quantization noise in the total noise level. The 5-bit DSM output is converted into a 31-level code and then into DEM, where the problem of nonlinear quantization and temperature dependence is solved. DEM data goes to the analog reconstruction unit, including the DAC on switched capacitors (SC) and the post filter on IIR and FIR filters, increasing the jitter resiliency.

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本帖最後由 cocteau 於 2018-8-28 23:01 編輯

ching你d資訊都真係好齊。
multibit 我知一直都有,但以為delta sigma就只係行1bit,而佢又係主流,所以理所當然就覺得1bit係主流。

我都睇過有d "學者" 質疑 1bit晌hi-res方面其實係唔適合。
其實不嬲都覺得dsd先係真正既騙局,mixing全部都要用pcm,搞完又轉翻去dsd,呃人又呃自己。。。

不過都慣喇,幾時都係有新野時就吹到上天,唔係我地點會去換機又換歌。到嗰樣野賣夠喇,又會吹樣新野跟手將舊野踩到變泥。

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ching你d資訊都真係好齊。
multibit 我知一直都有,但以為delta sigma就只係行1bit,而佢又係主流,所以理 ...
cocteau 發表於 2018-8-28 22:59


其實檔案格式已經算好

諗起啲人話hdd同ssd,甚至係唔同mobile flash memory都會影響sound quality呢下真係

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其實檔案格式已經算好

諗起啲人話hdd同ssd,甚至係唔同mobile flash memory都會影響sound quality呢下真 ...
chris_kai_kai 發表於 2018-8-29 04:13



    大有人在, 仲有HIFI LAN CABLE, HIFI GRADE SSD
總之加左HIFI兩個字就會靚聲

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本帖最後由 cocteau 於 2018-8-29 11:03 編輯
其實檔案格式已經算好

諗起啲人話hdd同ssd,甚至係唔同mobile flash memory都會影響sound quality呢下真 ...
chris_kai_kai 發表於 2018-8-29 04:13


我都睇過國內有d音響玄學家,話首歌入左ram drive幾耐就開始衰聲。
咁人地話真係聽得出,你唔信佢咩。
所以最終都係嗰句,controlled blind test。

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升頻有影響有機會係部分 DAC 廠商做手腳, 唔同 format tune 成唔同聲
http://archimago.blogspot.com/20 ... r-another-mans.html

留意 pono (白線), 行44k 果陣 7k 已經開始跌, 到 20k 跌左 4.5dB


但行 192k 果陣去到 20k 只係跌左 0.3dB

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呢d機廠母公司有無做埋出版?
(陰謀論)

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回覆 38# cocteau
果間公司早幾年推 hi-rez download, 又話乜 44k d 聲同潛水一樣, 384k 先升上水面... 而家摺左啦, 扺x死
https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/ ... l-player/index.html
http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=2605

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唉hifi燒友真悲哀,成日比商家佬當白痴,好似聽得hifi既都無乜腦任人舞。。。
係時候清醒d爭氣d。

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